Residents complain that ‘call to prayer’ is too loud
Tenants at the Holbrook Senior Plaza apartments say the Ideal Islamic Center across on the street from the apartment complex broadcasts its call to prayer too loud and too early in the morning.
By Charles Sercombe
The debate over the Muslim call to prayer is reverberating once again.
At last week’s city council meeting, several residents of the Hamtramck Senior Plaza apartments on Holbrook complained about the volume level of the call to prayer coming from the Ideal Islamic Center, located across from the apartment complex.
Jeanette Powell said she’s not complaining as a way to “bash anyone’s religion.”
She said the call or prayer was broadcast at 6 a.m. and found the volume “overbearing.”
“Just turn it down a little bit.”
Carol Marsh said not only was the call to prayer too loud, she insisted that the organizers of the center never said it would serve as a mosque.
“We were lied to,” she said. “We were told it would never be turned into a mosque.”
But Sakrul Islam of the center said no one ever said it would not be a mosque, saying an Islamic center “covers everything.”
He warned Marsh that if she continued claiming she was lied to he would file a defamation lawsuit.
He also denied accusations that the call to prayer was broadcast earlier than 6 a.m. Islam said he has since turned down the volume when the police department informed him of the complaints.
Islam accused City Councilmember Robert Zwolak, who lives in the apartment complex, of whipping up complaints.
“He’s against Muslims,” he said.
The center on Holbrook was not the only mosque accused of broadcasting the call too loudly.
Susan Dunn, who is a candidate for city council, said the new mosque on St. Aubin St., the Abu-Bakr Al-Siddique Islamic Center, also broadcasts the call loudly. Dunn lives on Hewitt St., which is a block away from the center.
She said she asked neighbors who attend services at the center to tell organizers there to turn down the volume.
Since then, she said, it’s been “turned down some.”
The complaints launched a long discussion on the city’s noise ordinance and the ordinance regulating the call to prayer.
According to Councilmember Cathie Gordon the city’s ordinance has no teeth.
Police Chief Max Garbarino said the way he’s been dealing with the issue is to talk with mosque leaders and ask them to turn down the volume.
The call to prayer issue first came up in 2004 when city officials were considering an ordinance regulating it. At that time, there was a heated debate over the issue.
Eventually, the city council at the time OK’d the ordinance. But that decision was challenged after Zwolak, who was not a member of council at the time, led a successful petition drive to put the matter up to a ballot vote.
Voters approved the ordinance by a 55 to 45 percent margin.
The issue also attracted national and international attention. Periodically, residents complain about the volume of the call to prayer, mostly from the mosque located on Caniff near Jos. Campau.
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It’s funny cant run my lawn mower until after 8 am or get a ticket. But I can be woken up on my days off before the sun even rises
Church bells aren’t saying the rosary or howling louder and louder every damn day. I have to listen to the call to prayer early morning and late at night. It’s obnoxious. One starts and then the other has to “out-howl” the other. It’s the 21st Century. Get an app to remind you (Christians included) to pray to your big daddy in the sky. I want freedom FROM religion as much as you want freedom OF religion. Just shut up and worship quietly. I don’t scream into your homes 5x a day (and it’s a lot longer than church bells), but maybe I should start.
I live on trowbridge street i am AMERICAN and my RIGHTS are BEING disregarded because every morning every day at least five times a day. I have to listen to this. I don’t wish to listen to that every day all day it’s a nuisance and it needs to be stopped. I can see doing it, but do you hear the Catholic churches doing it like they do come on give Americans a break. Do something about it you’re going against American rights tone it down please. It’s becoming not good. American still live here in the city of Hamtramck.
While the Adhan ( call to prayer) itself is not a core religious requirement, the obligation to pray (Salah) is a fundamental pillar of Islam. If it not a requirement then it should be banned!!!
The calls to prayer are too loud. Everyone has freedom of religion but does it have to be SO loud?
I am sick of the volume and frequency of the call to prayer. I live in Hamtramck and I am about ready to stuff a pig into those speakers. I am not a believer in any silly “god,” but at least the church bells don’t last long, aren’t as frequent, and don’t have a human howling like a wounded sheep being raped. It would also be nice if I didn’t have to see and hear animals being slaughtered in my neighborhood. Disgusting. Go murder your lambs in a slaughterhouse.
I purchased my home in Hamtramck in 2016 and can tell you the call to prayer noise pollution has become an absolute nightmare. I am not Muslim and have no idea what the song means but from the start I found it very beautiful and calming. Fast forward seven years and the call has persistently become louder and longer. Last week at 5:40 am the call was so loud multiple dogs began barking and the babies who live on my street (one next door, one across the street) were woken and screaming. This is not a religious issue. Residents of this beautiful little town deserve respect from their neighbors. That’s it, that’s all.
I am a muslim!
But what Muslim failed to understand is that’s it’s not worth the fight to the point of creating animosity among citizen.
Mosque don’t need to blast the call of prayer to the point of disturbing neighbors. We don’t live in an Islamic cultured country therefore we should be mindful of other people expectations. I live in Maryland where there are many mosques and I never hear the azan and there is no issue ever and everyone leaves peacefully together.
Our faith is within us, in our heart, we don’t need symbols to thrive.
Let’s not bash each other’s religion. It’s a calling to prayer, it’s not a bad thing at all. If you think it’s TOO loud. You could’ve sent feedback to the person in a private matter. Either ways, we should all just respect eachother.
The mosque near Lumpkin and Faber needs to turn the speakers down. It’s way too loud. I understand the importance of the call, but 6 am is too early to be hearing anything that’s publicly broadcasted loudly. The church bells discussed aren’t ringing at 6, or 7 or 8 for that matter, so you can’t compare. Your disrespect blankets the entire city and it’s unacceptable. If you can’t acknowledge that, then you’re part of the problem. Some people have different schedules than Muslims, and this extremely loud reminder shouldn’t be the way. Just be civil and human and turn it down. Recognize your disrespect and turn it down. Just do it. The community is still waiting.
Just get an app and you can listen to it and put it on repeat. I live close to a mosque and it’s living hell. I don’t understand the language, I don’t follow the culture. I don’t support any religious noise pollutions. No bells, no calls to prayers. Imagine if I get a loudspeaker and blast a specific song every single day, 7 times a week, multiple times per day. Just imagine how annoying it would be to Muslims, Christians, Jews and any breathing person or animal that is not deaf. I don’t mind your religion, but keep it to yourself. Listen to it in your house or car. Put your headphones and walk around while listening to it. That noise should never be able to reach my ears while I am trying to sleep at 6am with all doors and windows closed.
I’m Muslim, and that means I believe in God (Allah), and I worship Him as many times as He ordered (5 times a day). I love the prayer, it brings me peace.
Yes, the call for prayer was decreed by Allah (God almighty) , for believers to wake-up from sleep early morning, or pause work during the day, and worship Allah (Allah, their Creator) in thanks and gratitude for everything He has given us all.
These complaints are an obvious direct attempt (attack) to stop sincere worship of God!
Salah (prayer is the second pillar of Islam), without Salah, the person isn’t Muslim.
These complainers (obviously not Muslim) are trying to take us also out of Islam!
Those who don’t believe and worship God, shouldn’t attack those who do. Anyway, God (Allah) will always win at the end.
I’m not Muslim but I moved to Hamtramck because I like the sound of the call to prayer. I heard this was the only city with an ordinance to protect this practice. I think it sounds beautiful, and it’s a reminder to put your daily concerns in perspective. I’m Jewish but I’ve always loved the sound since the first time I heard it when visiting Amman as a tourist.
I can’t hear the call to prayer for Fajr at my house because the Islamic Center turns down the volume, but the others I can hear. I’m so happy to have a house near enough to hear this sound every day. I hear the sound of the train as well, different but also beautiful. Today I hear the sound of rain on my roof.
These comments sections are hard to read because people here seem to have so much passion and so much to say, but it isn’t clear that anyone is listening.
You are all sick, realize that the call to prayer is not even that loud nor unpleasant. It is one thing to be sensitive to noise and just be hateful and prejudice toward other people whether its because of religion or anything else. You all should be ashamed, its a requirement in the Islamic faith to pray, let them pray in peace there is such thing as RESPECT toward others, you people need serious help. I will keep each and every one of you in my prayers and hope that one day you will change.
Assalamu Alaikum my Muslim brothers and sisters, and too greetings of peace to those of you following the gospel. I am sad reading this forum. I have been researching a peaceful town, and I felt Hamtramck was just that, peace. With all the bickering back and forth on this forum, and the nasty remarks against Muslims, race, and religion should never ever be said. I truly though America was growing and becoming a civilized society, now I see there is much work to be done. As a Muslim, to hear the call to prayer is a very holy and spiritual experience, the sound calling me to submit in prayer to my lord. For others it is call nuisance. I am wondering is there a solution to allow others peace. Is it possible just during Fajr prayer (the 5-6am morning prayer), is it possible to lower the Athan (call to prayer) enough for everyone to be happy.
In order to make change in America, we must first respect one another, and not disregard others needs. I know I may receive backlash for speaking about this, and some may call me Muslim this and that, its fine. However, I feel this town is the first bit of hope I have had in such a long time to find peace and freedom in my America.
Please set aside the fact Muslim and Christian, and handle it as American to American, please.
jazak ALLAHu kheir (May GOD reward you)
Assalamu Alaikum (peace be unto you)
Wow. This article made me LESS tolerant. That racism nonsense falls on deaf ears. When you cry wolf everyday no one believes you anymore
I called my local church and told them to stop ringing their blasted bells at 8am every morning. Apparently they didn’t know they were going off, they were scheduled for 10. I had just had major cancer surgery and was barely getting sleep. I am 8 blocks away, why are these bells waking me up? I filed a complaint and now the bells never ring before noon. I was raised in the religion of the bells and I still don’t want to hear them. Keep your cults to yourselves! The rest of us are sleeping and don’t want to hear your blasted sheep noise!
solution:city to issue an ordinance – “no noise above66 DB is permitted”.
End of noise. ANY noise
please what are you saying Christian disturb more than Muslim the pray in loud voice and drum do whatever they want to do in loud voice so I don’t think that should hurt them. the only thing I will say is that they just want to discriminate and it is not done like that follow your religion and let others do theirs don’t discriminate
Why don’t we meet half way and lower the volume? Both sides would be happy. No need to bash each other. It’s a very simple solution and no one need get upset.
You can’t have a cross in Pensacola Park FL,
Why can you broadcast a muslim call to prayer? Where is freedomfromreligion.org & why are they not filing a lawsuit?
I live in Rainham, Essex and am having the exact same problem with a Muslim center which has just opened nearby. When we moved here, that was one of the things that we checked for (no religious institutions nearby), but after one year of being here, this place opens up and we can’t enjoy the peace and quiet in our garden anymore, because of the noise coming from the loud speaker. They recently applied for planning persmission to expand, and it was described as a “community center”, which sounds ok. It mentions nothing about mosque! Woul have felt the same if it was a church, incidentally. Religion of all kinds is backward. These people now regularly park over our drives as well. I am NOT happy!
sue them if you can not sleep…they are quick to sue us…give them a taste of their own medicine.
Wouldn’t it be easier for those interested in hearing the call to prayer to just get an app? No need to disturb others
‘- dear all
I understand everyone will have problem with the loud Adhan during 6.00am however even we have problem during the Church bells but we do not complain? We respect every other religion too and try to be friendly and polite. Please understand this is the Islam one of the 5 pillars we need to do. This is important for us. I also know there are bad things happening around the world but what else can we do if the blame comes on Us Muslim people?! There are good people and bad people.
I won’t be cmn back to this to read what you all must have said about me or my religion so I respect you guys, you do the same at least try to be helpful towards us. You will see a good change on yourself and what u think about us before might even change you
I would also like to add I have my own relatives who are non Muslim and some have converted to Islam on their own choices which was not forced.
Irish
Gujarati
Hindu
Scottish
They are my family above so we all respect and speak nicely so why not you all?:) at least try it!!?
Allah hafeez (good bye ) x
I also understand there are laws and regulations please bear with us. Adhan is just beautiful to hear.
Ibrahim, you do NOT get to subject everyone to YOUR political cult! Don’t turn it down, TURN IT OFF!! And don’t mistake the American People for those liberal wimps in Europe, we are not!! And we WILL maintain America as the Christian country that it is!! ANYTHING ELSE IS IRRELEVANT!! You want to hear the Adhan go live in a Muslim hell hole where you belong!!
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THESE PEOPLE IN MANY CASES FEEL ENTITLED TO DO AS THEY PLEASE WITH LITTLE TO NO CONCERN FOR OTHERS……….THEY NEED TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THE LAWS AND RULES OF WHERE THEY LIVE AND RESPECT THEM.
I woke up this morning to study for church service today. While sitting in bed I hear this loud “call to prayer”. Why do I need to hear “your” call to prayer. This noise is very disturbing and Its hard for me to study. Muslims citizens need to respecthe rights of others just as they want us to respect them. I will be filling a complaint and calling the police every day I hear this. I have no problem with your religion, just turn down the volume.
This is noise pollution not religious freedom. Islam is political power and religion. Their code says it is okay to lie (“We were told it would never be turned into a mosque”) if it advances the cause of Islam. They practice obfuscation (“an Islamic center “covers everything””.
They want to subjugate our rules to theirs while using our rules against us (if she “continued claiming she was lied to he would file a defamation lawsuit”).
They attempt free speech by claiming persecution(“He’s against Muslims”).
They really want all people to be ruled by Muslim law. It starts with small concessions – prayer calls many times a day (and from a growing number of locations); accommodation for prayer in schools and at work – then as their strength grows they get more emboldened for larger demands and aim to supplant local law with Sharia law. This is not a religious issue it is a political infiltration. There is no end until there is total submission by all non-muslims to the ‘laws’ of Islam.
This is an issue that muslims create for non-muslims EVERYWHERE in the world. religion of peace my foot.
The fact is, the call to pray (Adan) five times a day, seven days a week by the so called Muslims center, which is not a mosque is disturbing the community of the non muslim citicizans who pay taxes and have historical roots in this city. Your Muslim center violates the ordinance that was granted to you by the city to blast call to prayer. Your religion is full of lies. No religion has the right to take over a city and it community.
Church bells ringing on Sunday morning at a aceticable decibel is not comparable to the obnoxious call to pray five times a day seven days a week at a disturbing decibel.
The U.S. Constitution is bases on Jedeo-Christian beliefs and NOT the subversive and subjudaging Islamic religion. I suggest that you and your family go back to the county that you came from to practice your oppressive religion in a county that will accept you.
Islam is not wanted here in this county and your backward ideology.
Wow you people are the most miserable xenophobic pieces of shit I’ve ever had the displeasure of reading comments from. You know a discordant sound that many have to deal with on a hourly basis? Clock towers and church bells. Now when your grievance isn’t grounded I’m “yeah well now the brown people are doing it” maybe, just maybe, you might have some ground to stand on.
6am is a bit early for anything to be blared over a loud speaker, a little consideration for people who need sleep. Its a discordant wail, nothing melodic or pleasant so kindly turn it down so we all dont have to hear it
The irony of it all HAMtramck taken over by Muslims.
Ham is pork and is considered taboo.
Above, Ali Ibrahim wrote –
“this guy named jeremy laughery your name is a laughing joke
dont diss other peoples religion
follow your own
and well follow ares.”
Presumably that last phrase is –
“.. we’ll follow ours.”
Maybe it’s a call to American-English !
Really, I am wondering how properly to pronounce “Hamtramck” ?
The Great Pillars of Civilization
. Gender and LGBTQ equality
. Freedom of and from religion
. Freedom of expression
. Separation of church and state
. Democracy
. Rule of secular law
Each of these is opposed by Islamist ideology.
There are Noise laws and if the mosques are violating the law, cite them! Religions get NO special treatment even Islam! If law enforcement and courts to NOT enforce the law they will take over. They already think their religion comes before ANYTHING! When our government favors this religion of extremists…it is violating the Constitution! No government religion. Start treating these people same as every other religion and tough if they don’t like it!
this guy named jeremy laughery your name is a laughing joke dont diss other peoples religion follow your own and well follow ares.
why are you people making such a fuss about this the muslim people say nothing about the church bell you have on every church and our call to prayer is only 1 half minute long. so i suggest stop talking about call to prayer and you turn our call of prayer we turn yours off.
To the man named Sakrul Islam that said he would file a defamation lawsuit, you are a corrupt and demented individual if you think that your noise pollution can override justice of the peace. Your threats are laughable! Religion is a mind-game that creeps like you play with unsuspecting ignorant victims. Your God, as well as any other God, is not concerned with you or any other religious figure and followers of any religion. Islam is not a religion; it is control by subversion, subjugation and force. Our most dire concerns should not be with God; they should be the facts that are apparent right here on Earth. Morals, conscience and character are the three most important of all of these concerns, which are derived from the U.S. Constitution first. Learn these four things and you will do well in America. Fight the ignorance! Pass on the torch of liberty by passing on a copy of the State and Federal Constitutions!
Easy answer play the Rollins Band “LIAR!” on 10 on a 350 watt amp when they try that crap!
Sort of remind me of the Church bells I would hear every day.. Or a siren every Tuesday at 12 noon saying “this is a test.” …
how do you recall city council leaders. they are creating a state supported religion which is unconstitutional!
i m dealing with this noise pollution of this mosque everyday here, even the street dogs gets annoyed and starts barking at that noise
Really? A call to prayer over loudspeakers? Every church should broadcast the lords prayer or the sermon on the mount in the middle of the night.
I think it’s time to fire up that pork rib smoker.
Seriously?
Keep worship and SOUNDS of worship in the home. Easy.
What are they saying in the call to prayrr?
And you need to moderate my words? That’s why we keep getting killed: too politically correct.
My Swiss (French-speaking) friend’s Princeton Scholarship son had his first MI soccer game last week. In Hamtramk. She was going to let him drive himself. I suggested that she might want to go with him, just first time, so that she would be cognizant of the dangers. “What dangers?”, she asks me. It angered and saddened me to explain why danger now exists in our old Polish enclave. My answer: Yemeni Muslims. The poorest Muslim country, by the benevolent US, has taken over and destroyed another Detroit-area city. She needed to pay attention, as a non-Arab, uncovered Christian female, to her personal safety. Stay in the car, I told her. Keep the doors locked and the windows up. A week later she calls me, absolute astonishment in her voice. “My God Chris! These women had their entire faces covered! Never have I seen so many kids! Riding their bikes all over the parking lot, no parents, it was crazy.” Yes. The Yemenis and their home country support terrorism. These people can’t read, can’t work, abuse our welfare system, procreate like rabbits and presume that it’s all just their rights. They are poor, uneducated, impolite people who will never assimilate. They will contribute nothing to our society. This is proven. Their first cousin marriages that have gone on for centuries, leave we the People with special needs children who suck up our resources. I know this, I’ve studied it my whole life, and I’ve run out of my Christian, liberal sympathetic attitude. American Jihadists, that’s what they are. They continue to abuse our American values. Just last night one of you Muslim bastards killed more than fifty “fellow” Americans in Orlando. I have no tolerance for you Muslim Terrorists here. Destroying the US and Western Europe one day at a time.
Is the call to prayer against the establishment clause of the constitution? The city council has endorsed a religious practice.
Teddee, you’re an idiot mooslim luver.
HA! I knew this would happen. Ban this call to prayer NOW!!!!!!!! TAKE BACK OUR CITY!!!
Just wanted to point out that on this thread literally every Muslim has taken the side of the complainants concerning the loudness of the C2P, yet still the majority of comments from non-Muslims are pretty hateful treatise on Sharia Law, Muslims taking over, and/or how terrible Islam is. It’s kind of shameful seeing especially as how not a single Muslim has defended the noise.
Also, Christians aren’t exactly innocent of trying to establish theocratic hegemony in the States, have been far more successful. Espousing a Christian faith is a prerequisite for any chance at the presidency. States like Mississippi have passed laws allowing driving up to 30 passenger vans without a CDL as long as it’s a church bus (literally Jesus Take the Wheel Act), arming Christian militias (literally Christian Soldiers Act), and now legalizing discrimination against anyone who has any sex outside of a marriage between a man and woman (literally legally sanctioning not just gays but any person who’s not abstinent or married). Christians have created “dry” counties and Blue Laws all over the country, laws concerning personal sex lives, and constantly push legitimizing Christian imagery in government buildings. Things that if any Muslim group did with that gusto would immediately garner extreme public outrage.
Maybe the huge majority of Christian Americans should look at their own community before other’s (like is demanded of the Muslim community all of the time), and if they’re so worried about Islamic law they should quit working so diligently to dismantle secularism in this country since it’s what stands between us and any theocracy. You can’t call not having hegemony the “War on Christianity,” while counting on those same laws you’re weakening to stop others from legislating their beliefs.
Sincerely, from The Bible Belt.
Islam is not a race. It is not racial discrimination to speak out against Islam’s expression of faith being forced down our throats. The rights of non Muslims must be protected. NO MORE BROADCASTS of calls to prayer at anytime.
Hamtramck – you must be the defenders of freedom and our Constitution. Get an injunction and require the call to prayer be private via email or text alert. It is forced religion. It is interfering with the quiet enjoyment of your property rights. Good luck and fight any attempts to have Sharia Law apply in your community. Your grandaughter’s freedom and well-being is depending on your bravery.
Religion should stop being given a free pass. If it were anyone else blasting out music through loudspeakers like that, they’d be forced to stop.
The quran is a load of poisonous crap, like all religious books, but in this case, using it to support the argument, there’s nothing in it saying the call to prayer must come through speakers (of course, the quran which many liars and idiots think had previously unheard of scientific knowledge in) had no information on electricity and speakers and microphones.
Of course, it COULD have had this information, if mohammed HAD been talked to by some magical creator of the universe, but obviously one would have to be as bat sh*t crazy as mohammed, to believe that really happened.
Hamtramck has now lost it’s Polish identity and has been taken over by the Islamic community. Sakrul Islam has laid his cards on the table and has pretty much said if you do not bow down to Islam then he will sue……..While the remaining Polish residents of Hamtramck have shown an overwhelming degree of tolerance towards the Muslims, it’s apparent that these Muslim invaders no longer show the same degree of tolerance to the objections of the true natives of Hamtramck………..My advice to those Polish residents who still consider Hamtramck their home, get out of Dodge…Sell your homes while you still have any value left in them and move out to the suburbs. These Muslims have not assimilated but rather brought their third world culture of depravity and poverty along with them and are now creating the same society they left………They are vermin and have nothing to offer to the boiling pot culture this country was founded on……..
All of the “diversity” the left has forced down the country’s throat has nothing to do with inclusion or love or kindness. The left does not possess any of these qualities. The left only knows how to destroy. What they have become very adept at is social engineering, which is what this pro Muslim BS is all about.
Read the history of Islam. It is anything but a “religion of peace” Look at modern Islam and think about the religion of peace every time a car bomb goes off.
There will be a reckoning in this country, when people have finally had enough of these muslim barbarians and the elected officials who know “what’s best” for us.
It will not be pleasant.
MUSLIM POPULATION TIMELINE
1. As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.
2. At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
3. From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves along with threats for failure to comply. At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
4. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.
5. After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues.
6. At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare.
7. From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels.
8. After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in Bangladesh — Muslim 83%, Egypt — Muslim 90%, Gaza — Muslim 98.7%, Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%, Iran — Muslim 98%, Iraq — Muslim 97%, Jordan — Muslim 92%
9. 100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in: Afghanistan — Muslim 100%, Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%, Somalia — Muslim 100%, Yemen —Muslim 100%.
But…but…didn’t our president tell us that the Muslim call to prayer is the prettiest sound on earth? These residents should be grateful to be exposed to such beauty five times a day.
If Muslims must call to prayer, it should be with all sense of moderation.
Disturbing people’s peace does not potray Islam as a religion of peace.
These days, people have mobile phones with time. They should use them!
I am Muslim and I am proud Muslim and I have very strong belive in Islam and my prophet PBUH teachings !!! I wish I was there I would stand with all my society people who complaining about loud adahan,and first one to protest in front of the mosque they can’t do that it’s no where in Islam that you distrub others or that inconsiderate about others people and there concern where we live as a society !!! And it’s responsibility of the Muslims who live there and really know what is rite or wrong they should come out and speak about it !!! This is my stance only for people who are living in non Muslim countries and with other cultures and different believes !! Yes in Muslim country or where everyone is fine and ease with it what else is better to raise Allah name and call them to remember him in morning but not at the cost of ignorant and inconsiderate image of Islam!!!! Islam is a religion of love and peace and it teaches us to respect other belives too !!! Allah show all of us rite path ameen !!!
In England we have an over abundance of Mosques, and given that nearly over 1500 signatures were collated in opposition, and even Leicester City Council’s own Planning Officer advised against the building of the Mosque, which incidentally started off as a 4 bedroom detached house, and bought by the Islamic foundation on the lie that it would be a landscape garden, then turned into a Community Center, then Madrasa, then used as a place of worship, given retrospective planning permission to be allowed as Mosque. One of the condition of planning was a noise restrictor be fitted. As some of the more reasonable Muslims by avatar name have purported there were no loudspeakers, and indeed everyone has a watch in in this day and age an app can be developed. Muslims will argue that this is against tradition, but will allow an amplifier to be incorporated to broadcast the call to prayer. We now have over 116 Mosques in Leicestershire, England alone! The call to prayer has been so loud an environmental health of councils have after residents complained deemed it to be in breach, however in the interests of community cohesion, i.e not upset the vocal. and violent group have allowed it to carry on. With Islam on the rise, it is end of days for all non Muslims, especially when MPs, Councillors appease those who vote for them. Even Her Majesty Queen ELizabeth II who swore to uphold Christianity and indeed it was one of the condition for to rule as failed. All agencies are scared of Islam!
Truth be told. Islam and all things Islamic, in essence, are not here to become a “nuisance” of sorts to any community! The “human voice” was the “chosen” (at the advent of Islam) and still is the “preferred” (nowadays), call and invitation to join in the prayer.
Besides, while the call to prayer is broadcast via loud speakers in Muslim countries [where some people happen(ed) to complain, actually], is pleasing to the ear, and could actually be appreciated by non-Muslims as well, while visiting those countries, it is not so, in the US. I heard it, and there was no harmony in it, when “recited” by non-Arabic natives. I know you may think this is a biaised comment, but actually it is not. And the “caller” should make an effort to “learn” first as the know-how is pleasing to most ears! But as for the high frequency of the sound of the speaker, it is a no no. “There is no compulsion, in the religion” states the Qur’an, especially in such a “commercial” community.
A church bell is charming at the right hour, and non verbal. This is an outrage. It takes a lot of nerve to think you can impose your religion on others. I’m amazed the townspeople aren’t up in arms. There should be no call to prayer. Period. This city should serve as a warning to the rest of America.
Muslim clerics should be made to understand that audible prayers in public places or from buildings will not be tolerated
Viewing this from Europe, I find it astounding that the Islamic community can’t see (or doesn’t seem to care) that their reputation with other groups is hitting rock. Most people know that “not all Muslims” are bad etc. etc., but these kinds of displays of inconsideration and disrespect for long-time locals and other groups is going to change that if they’re not careful. I’ve witnessed it myself over the past few weeks. Before the Cologne attacks most people where I live (Ireland) wouldn’t have batted an eyelid to this story, but now it’s seen in a negative light by many.
As a trend, more and more people are moving away from organised religion in the West, and this kind of encroachment into peoples’ lives only reflects badly on the Mohammedan community. I’m surprised they can’t see that; I would’ve thought it’s a matter of self-preservation for any group in a supposed multi-cultural society to respect the space of others.
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[…] Residents who live near several mosques are reporting the “Call to Prayers” have become too loud and some are claiming they were lied to when a community center was turned into a Mosque, The Hamtramck Review is reporting. […]
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Well, well, well…….
The chickens have come home to roost, a sorry crop to be reaped for the sorry seeds sown.
How do they feel?
How do those shackles that now chafe and bind you feel?
The shackles you now wear while your new masters gleeful laughter rings in your ears, shackles forged in the blast furnace of cowardice, indifference, arrogance, apathy and grinding deferential political correctness.
I hope your humiliation is your lives and I hope you live forever.
You folks deserve everything you get.
Sincerely, R. Wiliston
Montana, USA
[…] complain that ‘call to prayer’ is too loud,” By Charles Sercombe, The Hamtramck Review, December 12, 2015 (thanks to […]
Those complaining will be accused of “hatred”, “racism”, “bigotry”, “intolerance”, and “Islamophobia”.
Islam’s call to prayer five times a day is simply a form of brainwashing.
Read how it works at: http://islamsfatalflaw.blogspot.com/
Here is the beginning.
Would you wear a T-shirt with a Mohammad cartoon printed on it?
You might in Montana. Don’t try it in Mecca.
Why?
Because, Islam trains a small number of its most devout believers it’s OK to kill. And Islamic killers have been trained to kill anyone who insults Allah and/or Mohammad.
In Montana you’d have a good chance none of these Islamic killers would see you.
In Mecca you wouldn’t last five minutes. One of Islam’s killers would come from out of nowhere and kill you. It is that simple.
You don’t believe me? Ask any Muslim!
Since everything about God has been removed out of the public same goes for prayer and prayer calls for Muslims. NO RELIGION to be forced upon anyone..that includes prayer and prayer songs or calls in public…also…sue them for disturbing the peace and for your freedom of not hearing their religion. Merry Christmas
Why to waste time talking .. just people should get an emp and focus it on .. the loudspeaker and take it down .. problem solved .. !!
http://www.instructables.com/community/A-powerful-EMP-generator-to-disable-temporarily/
Any other form of noise pollution would be treated as a nuisance, please tell me how this is any different?
It is about domination! It is about a complete refusal to cooperate with the community.
It is about refusing to have a reformation or an enlightenment.
We know that in a modern day and age the bells of a church and this call is NOT necessary as we have watches now.
In fact this should be considered noise pollution!
Are you allowed to use lawnmowers before a certain time in the morning!?
This should be considered a violation under the Constitution as the ‘council’ has made a law concerning a religion.
The citizens should stop being cowards and literally tear the speakers down; yes illegal but then so is the noise pollution and the civil disharmony.
[…] complain that ‘call to prayer’ is too loud,” By Charles Sercombe, The Hamtramck Review, December 12, 2015 (thanks to […]
File your complaints here. The more the marrier! http://ffrf.org/legal/report
I find it most difficult to understand that in America’s changing culture where the right of the individual is championed above all else, a religious noise can be allowed to brazenly invade any individual’s study time, sacred time, wedding, Christmas party, church service, or sleep time. It is understandable when human rights are abused in other countries where Muslims are a majority, but I am appalled to see it happening here. In Muslim dominated countries the call for prayer blasts into some peoples’ sleep time at 4:00 a.m. or a communion services where Christians gather to worship. Loud speakers are directed intentionally toward churches. (I have been there and seen it in Indonesia for the 16 years I lived there.) Can any Muslim majority community in America practice this same custom here? Just two words for America, WAKE UP!
I am SOOO sick and tired of this type of nonsense.
AMERICA was founded mostly on Christian believes and faith, or currency, In GOD WE TRUST, not Budda or Mahmud.
If you are going to COME TO , WE DIDNT BRING YOU OR YOUR FAITH HERE THEN IT IS UPON YOU to fit in NOT the other way around
A few legal points:
1. There is an absolute privilege against defamation claims for any statements made in a public forum on a public issue; so much for Islam’s threats, except for what they reveal of his [its?] mindset.
2. By enacting the law allowing the C2P to be broadcast about, the City Council violated the I Amdt. No governmental body shall to anything to advance religion or any particular religion, whether or not public funds are involved.
3. The common law of nuisance is with the seniors and anyone else disaffected by the C2P.
4. If I were still practicing law, I’d take up the seniors’ case in a minute – and seek maximum attorneys’ fees from those CC members who voted for the law, and bring a separate claim against Islam for threatening the exercise of Marsh’s I Amdt. rights in his official capacity, which takes care of the state action requirement quite nicely, TYVM.
5. How many of those Muslims in Hamtramck are here legally? Those who aren’t should be deported.
“Hope this helps!”
Ally, please re-read the article.
“He warned Marsh that if she continued claiming she was lied to he would file a defamation lawsuit.”
The lawsuit threat isn’t about the complaint.
Maybe the residents of the senior center should start holding regular pork bbq’s, with fans blowing the aroma in the very direction of the Muslim center.
if you censor this I will call the Senior center to suggest they implement this new tradition immediately.
So you moderate all comments. Interesting. Trying to keep any criticism about your takeover of this town and ultimately America hushed right?
Notice they threatened the seniors with a lawsuit if they refused to stop complaining about Islamic prayer being blasted from loudspeakers starting before sunrise and all day (5x /day) everyday. Wake up folks. They are forcing it on the entire town here whether they want to hear the prayers or not and threatening to sue if people (note the senior citizen who complained) don’t shut up about it!! Would it be ok for a Christian community center to open next to it (or any town USA) and broadcast sermons, prayer, hymns praising , Jesus and reciting John 3:16 over and over via the loudspeakers broadcasted throughout the town?
I come from a pentecostal heritage. Years ago when we had our church meetings many times the police were call because our music and praise would be loud[no airconditioning,our windows would be raised up]. We of coarse obeyed the law.Is there no law to be obeyed anymore. THE LAW IS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF ALL THE PEOPLE MAY GOD BLESS US ALL HERE
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How is this not noise pollution? I’m sure if I had a loudspeaker playing classical music (only 3 minutes song) 5 times a day at 5AM that surely must be allowed in this town right? DUH!
Salam alikom,
The prophet PBUH never used loudspeakers to call the Athan, people have watches they can use to know what times the prayer is. If anything, the Athan shouldn’t be caled outside the timeframe of work hours (10am-6pm) to avoid bothering non Muslims with the sound when they are relaxing, which Islamically is worst off.
Ahmed (Yemeni American)
Well there is an easy way to settle the debate over use of the Islamic center. Pull the initial permits that are public record and see what they say about religious usage. I was told once that the Islamic centers were not places if worship rather places where a common religion could get together to support one another and discuss topics and network. That’s why they were allowed in commercial areas because they would not be worship centers and thus tax exempt, but that is for councilmembers to look into.
As a Muslim I understand the reason behind traditional prayer call , but can we lower the sound little bit during early morning ?
The should not have a speaker for the call to prayer, traditionally it must be called without speaker.
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I feel really sorry for the seniors and hope the center take action in that regard.